from two, a national health perspective, really do you want a sort of white male party and a brown party with white women kind of being split back and forth? seems -- >> that sounds like a lot of southern races. you saw this up close 15 years ago. >> absolutely. i remember -- you can talk about all this data. i remember the gore campaign in 2000, our big technological move was putting a webcam in the campaign headquarters so people could watch online. >> i'm sure it was fascinating. >> big legacy thing that will help democrats in the future is never before has the democratic party been able to combine their data sets, fund-raisers, online organizers, their voter file which has been around a long time, their volunteer database. it took months in chicago to do this. this is something that lasts. >> this will be a gift to the democratic party. >> but just eight years ago we were talking about, ken mehlman and karl rove have just made this an unbeatable party every improve upon, and the incentive is to the loser often, to go and upgrade. so we see everything improving. but i don't think that